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    Welcome welcome welcome I’ve got a great guest today for you his name is Bryce Paul of the crypto 101 podcast they’re getting a 100,000 listens per week sharing crypto insights interviewing industry leaders you can go and find them of course on all the places you listen to podcast that obviously also

    Find their YouTube channel and on Twitter but we are going to dive in deep because there’s a lot of news happening right now in the crypto space Bryce is a man who’s got his finger on the pulse what the heck is happening in crypto we’ve got a lot of things happening it’s

    Been a definitely a high energy week for the cryptocurrency markets without a doubt so yeah Bryce welcome to the show man oh hey thank you thank you for uh for having me on um really excited to be here and talk to you uh to you and your

    Audience just kind of about what I’m seeing in the crypto space and yeah uh big day you know we’re recording this the ETF is looking like it’s approved uh I don’t know like it seems like there’s some approvals and then it seems like the links aren’t working and then some

    People say it is some people are still waiting for confirmation so we’re here we’re waiting the volatility is starting to rise crazy day very very very Monumental so I’m excited yeah it’s it’s crazy it’s a what a time to be in markets if you’re here now and you’re

    Listening to this like you’re here at a special time I’d like to say that but before we get into all the news and all the juicy bits I just wanted to tell you us you to tell us a little bit about the crypto 101 podcast and kind of a bit

    About your background and what got you into crypto yeah certainly um so yeah crypto1 we’ve been around um since July of 2017 um and i’ been in the industry um for for about a year prior to that and just really you know started to get involved um with crypto by by buying it

    Myself and you know I heard one day uh about a um a uh a big meeting that was going on uh Brock Pierce was giving a presentation I had heard about him he founded one of the first crypto hedge funds so I was like he let me let me go

    Check this out it was at a local University and basically you know back in uh 2017 I was learning about um you know how blockchain is not only going to affect you know uh monetary networks but how it’s also going to affect media networks and media was the the kind of business

    That I was working in at the time so I I I stopped dead in my tracks I was like wow this is crazy uh went home and kind of bought a little bit of Bitcoin bought a little bit of ethereum started to explore all the other altcoins and and

    As you know 2017 when that hit it was uh it was a big wave and I thought I was a genius I thought I had bought all the right coins at all the right time realized I was just in a bull market and then gave it all back in the in the

    Following bare Market uh but man did I learn a lot um learned a ton got super hooked um and yeah just wanted to continue spreading the word about you know why I was so passionate about crypto um so I wrote a book called crypto Revolution um you guys could

    Check it out on Amazon you could go to Crypt revolution.com you could check it out there um wrote a book and and people were interested we got a lot of uh lot of purchasers started a newsletter as well um so every week we we write a newsletter um we call called the cryp

    Nation’s Market Movers newsletter so we’re always putting together uh technical analysis fundamental analysis just kind of commentary on the news flow where we think things are going um and yeah we we we have a lot of fun doing that um from there um you know we just got really involved trading the markets

    Uh I was I was able to uh start a hedge fund with um with a couple Partners um so that’s Tower 18 Capital um so we have uh at that fund uh for accredited investors only uh two different strategies that we trade at actively one is a long only crypto fund so we’re

    Looking at the market holistically you know what have the uh the best upside potential with kind of the Lim the most limited amount of uh kind of risk that we see and it’s an actively you know managed portfolio of of what we’ve deem to be the best you know select

    Cryptocurrencies and we also have a fund of funds uh where we allocate across a a spectrum of different strategies and fund managers uh guys from panta the largest sort of oldest crypto hedge fund um guys like block tower the largest open-ended Fund in America um and many

    Other sort of smaller ones and up and cominging so yeah we’re we’re really excited about this industry we think it’s brand new and again it’s 15 years old but relative to gold which is thousands and thousands of years old and stocks which you know were invented in

    You know the 1600s and this is a very very relatively new asset class and we’re still here with a lot of upside in my opinion now of course that’s not Financial advice nothing I say is an investment advice I’m not your person personal financial adviser but uh

    Hopefully we could have a lot of educational discussion today for sure it’s a really interesting thought to think about how early are I know if you watch crypto markets every day you’re gonna think well it’s so late and everything’s already no all of crypto every coin you’ve ever heard of Bitcoin

    Ethereum everything less than2 trillion dollar total market cap less than2 trillion doll total market cap there are multiple companies in the USA which have a larger market cap than that that’s Gold’s five or six times bigger than that itself let alone if you look at the market cap of Bitcoin

    Specifically which is largely I believe will go on to rival the market cap of gold one day absolutely so we’re here we’re recording this interview at a very interesting time because right now it seems we have got the Bitcoin ETF approval maybe by the time we publish this we’ll find out some other

    Information but from everything we see it looks like we have a Bitcoin ETF so very interesting what’s your take on this news what’s your take on how the markets are reacting to this news and would you buy a Bitcoin ETF for your portfolio all great questions um so so

    My my short take um you know I think that there’s going to be there’s going to be a lot of volume that trades uh Thursday tomorrow or you know if we posted this on Thursday then today there’s going to be a lot of volume primarily you’ve got lots of kind of

    Cross flows you got a lot of people that bought um a lot of you know coinbase stock and micro strategy stock and marathon and Riot and all these Bitcoin miners as proxies right back in June 15th when Black Rock announced that they’re going to have this black rock

    ETF you instantly had a lot of flows come into crypto a lot of people front running the approval so I think there will be some level of sell the news as there are billions of dollars of open interest um on the the CME Futures people front running this um there again

    Like all these people who have their proxy trades on Who Who Are You Know buying an anticipation of this big event um for for other assets that are correlated they might say okay now that it’s approved you know the trade’s done we’re selling off so there there there

    Will be those flows there’s also um you know a lot of you know potential sell pressure that that could flow out of grayscale as those investors have been very impaired for a long time they might just be excited to get out and realize those liquidity um so there’s going to

    Be you know several billion dollars I think looking to exit on this opportunity um on this day right or this week that this uh this thing comes out but on the on the flip side you also have you know you know a Title Wave in the background swelling up to to kind of

    Gobble up you know billions and billions and billions of dollars of Bitcoin um and this is because for the very first time ever you now have Bitcoin securitized in in a fashion that Pension funds and mutual funds and highly regulated you know commodity funds or hedge funds now they could you know they

    Don’t need to go through the the hoops and the ladders uh that they would have to go to you know to custody Bitcoin themselves on coinbase or a hardware wallet or or sign some kind of bespoke agreement with with coinbase uh for custody none of that all they have to do

    Is go to Black Rock or Fidelity or their Charles Schwab account and buy Millions dollars worth of bitcoin and to do that is going to be a click of a button so uh there’s going to be billions of dollars that come out there’s going to be more

    Billions that come in over the long term so that’s why I think shortterm little bit of volatility sell the news I still think the lowest this thing could go is like $36,000 per coin um kind of in the week leading up that would be maybe from where we’re at today about a

    $45,000 uh price per coin down to 36 you know we’re not looking at anything greater than 25% uh of a draw down which is kind of par for the course for Bitcoin over the course of its sort of bull markets 2017 we saw you know five or we saw like 12

    Or 13 draw Downs of 25% or more um although I thought that was interesting uh this past year in 2023 was the first year we didn’t see a draw down of 25% or more um from TR uh from Peak to trough so that so you know volatility is

    Starting to smooth out I think that’s a really good sign um I think these long-term flows you you’re gonna have billions of dollars coming in um I think people still find this attractive it’s new um there’s a Bank of America report that came out talking about the sensitivity of Bitcoin the fact that

    It’s so illiquid in that there there’s not a huge supply um you know I think there’s about um you know 118 uh times multiplier effect on uh every dollar of Bitcoin adds $118 worth of market cap uh to to bitcoin and so they they they kind of took a look and

    You know adding you know $1 billion um adds you know not you know 100 it adds $118 billion do wor of market cap um so just $1 billion dollar you could you could add you know 10% to the price of Bitcoin um that’s that’s an incredible incredibly sensitive sort of multiplier

    Whereas if you have a thousand or you know a billion dollars worth of bonds or or some other you know S&P 500 it doesn’t affect the price that much so short-term sell the news long-term this thing is going to to six figures man I I wholeheartedly believe that absolutely

    Six figures well I think we hit a seven figureure Bitcoin one day it’s only question of when that is the casee and it’s a very interesting thing with Bitcoin because we have 75% of the long-term Supply uh held by people who are holding in the hardware wallets and they’re probably not intending on

    Selling necessarily anytime soon a lot of these people have exited Fiat they may not be coming back that’s always an interesting thought we have two million Bitcoin sitting on exchanges we have a Bitcoin having coming up uh you know huge demand increasing even before the Bitcoin having happened we had just

    Regular retail investors buying the monthly production of Bitcoin miners like crazy numbers we’re talking about here but one thing I want to follow up on would you buy a Bitcoin ETF for your personal portfolio it’s a good question and so I mean for me personally um I

    Think Bitcoin on a cold storage you know cold wallet that you know that’s kind of the the preeminent sort of example of of how a bitcoiner should should hold their coins um you know hold them in Cold Storage have a multisig wallet have a ledger or a treasure or or something

    That is is completely offline this is unseasonable ible this is censorship resistant um you know kind of Off the Grid sort of money and I think that that that’s a a really big value proposition uh for the global citizenry where you have you know people that live in these

    Countries where you know every 10 years or every 15 years their currency is deprecated and the government issues a completely new currency right so if you have you know all that money in the bank all right get rid of it we got to have a new sort of currency not saying that in

    The states or in you know some you know very very highly developed sort of countries that this happens although the risk grows and grows and grows as you see sovereign debt is now yielding you know 5% I mean that’s you know showing that there’s there’s more risk that’s

    Being baked in the higher these yields go there’s more risk in sort of governments uh in some levels you know defaulting on their debt so they’re they’re paying a higher yield to incentivize people to loan money to them um but we we do have a a world where um

    You know Bitcoin on on on Cold Storage on self- custody is very important there’s kind of a war being fought over in Washington should this be allowed should it not be allowed we’ll see for me personally I I I I advocate for the Bitcoin ETFs I think people should I

    Think if you’re not comfortable running your own node or having your own wallets then you should buy a Bitcoin ETF I think it’s probably a pretty good expression of uh of sort of bullishness on on the space if you think that you know Bitcoin is going to go up I think

    The Bitcoin spot ETF is a better product than buying you know a Bitcoin minor or micro strategy or uh a Bitcoin future right think it’s it’s kind of a better way to just get more true to the market um you know pricing um would be a

    Bitcoin ETF I I I think you know I I have seen people say that it’ll it’ll actually trade at a premium um some of these uh ETF market makers uh I think a guy named Reginal Brown went on Bloomberg and said he thinks that there’s actually going to be an 8%

    Premium uh to nav so um you know there there could be a little bit of uh inefficiencies in that market just based on the the cash create versus the in kind create creation uh sticking point that the market kind of uh um participants argued with through the SEC

    So once that becomes in kind creation then that premium should close so you know again it’s it’s not going to be a perfect product um there’s nothing as good as the real thing um which is just classic BTC of course of course you know Bitcoin is a very very powerful tool and

    Wrapping it up and given an IOU from Black Rock it’s not quite the same thing is it but you have to trust Black Rock which you know who trust Black Rock who trusts Black Rock H what one one thing I think about with the Bitcoin ETF which I

    Think is going to be very attractive for a lot of people is the ability to then use that Bitcoin uh more tax efficiently and look it’s not going to be everybody in every jurisdiction but like for me here where I live bitcoin’s taxed terribly but a Bitcoin ETF is probably going to face

    Zero capital gains so like that’s a huge value proposition for me long term term but obviously then it’s like then I don’t actually own my Bitcoin so it’s a bit of a a dilemma can we just get some more altcoin ETFs man come on let’s let’s get some altcoin ETFs so I can

    Have some you know gains on altcoins that are taxfree that’d be fantastic yeah it it it’s it’s you know pick your poison you either potentially have to pay a lot of taxes or potentially don’t even have the money to pay taxes on in the fre because you get you know Black

    Rock decides to to confiscate your account for some reason or something you never know you never know you never know you know it’s this you’re theyve done some crazy stuff with their ESG thing and forcing companies one ways or another because they’re trying to force Behavior I mean you could look at Larry

    Larry fin talk he wants to force Behavior with certain economic incentives so I mean I could see something screwy coming up down the line where you know they try and you know you know get people to Fork Bitcoin and you know only the the the Bitcoin that uh

    Black Rock holds is the real Bitcoin and everything else you know they could Fork away other people I don’t think it would happen because there’d probably be a user activated soft Fork like there was when we activated segwit to kind of get ahead of the Bitcoin cash Fork but um

    There’s going to be some games and it’s now on that nation state level game I mean you see you know lots of people involved in this now it’s no longer just guys like me and you or or Renegade Traders you you have the big boys coming

    Into play so hold on tight right we have Sovereign wealth funds that have been buying Bitcoin for years I like Singapore Sovereign wealth fund we have state level actors the UAE and Oman Bhutan uh all confirmed as at the state level mining Bitcoin Russia largely rumored to be mining Bitcoin at the

    State level Iran rumored as well to be mining Bitcoin at the state level like literally the government doing America better kick it into high gear with all this uh activity from you know some not so friendly countries um they better get their crap together America really had a

    Chance to be like a global leader in crypto and I feel like the SEC has made it so that they were not the global reader and that’s one of the biggest the US is one of the biggest markets for crypto but that’s about it in terms of Regulation Innovation like it’s all

    Going offshore yeah lot a lot of people are taking their their business to to more friendly jurisdictions and uh the the future’s you know very uncertain um I have faith in um you know I think there’s a lot of good you know congressmen and Senators that are that

    Are fighting for crypto right now that are trying to pass thoughtful legislation um all of the the sort of lobbyist groups that that we have in Washington now and and there was a super pack that raised I think 80 million dollars uh to try and start to influence

    You know policy and friendly directions toward crypto so um while we were a small industry we we’ve now become quite formidable coinbase has taken on the SEC grayscale successfully took on the SEC Ripple you know we’re we’re fighting back so I’m I’m confident on uh you know

    As as an American you know I’m confident that they’re going to figure it out the constituents want it 50 million Americans hold crypto something like that I mean you you got to you know crypto is going to be around with or without America so you better get on

    Board just like AI right I mean you want China to be the leader in Ai and and have them you know weaponize it or monetize it against us or do you want to be able to defend yourself uh and have you know be able to you know develop it

    Simultaneously to be on the same plane field um to me it’s kind of a no-brainer well if you look at what the USA did with the Internet it’s actually they should have done the same thing with crypto because they looked at the internet and said okay let’s nurture

    That and then what happened because they had a positive regulatory environment towards internet technology because of that you had Amazon and Google and Facebook and all these companies Spring up in America those companies had they had a hostile regulatory environment might have gone somewhere else they

    Might have gone the UK or wherever else right so the US got a wrong big time in this but I want to switch up a little bit here what what are um two of the biggest crypto trends that you’re watching for outside we’re not gonna talk Bitcoin ETFs e outside that big two

    Biggest trends that you see coming for Market in 2024 yeah um that’s a great question so you know full disclosure you know the coins I’ll talk about and the narratives I’ll talk about you know I’ve got exposure to whether through my hedge fund Tower 18 which you could see Tower

    18 Capital um you know we invest in a lot of these themes um I’ll I’ll say two that I think are really big um you know maker Dow I mean you can’t look at the the defi space seriously and not mention maker Dow um the ticker for that is mkr

    And what they’re doing um is incredible just you know not only you know taking a look at what’s what’s going on with them you know leading up to this current moment you know in 2023 they they had hundreds of millions of dollars of Revenue um they took you and that

    Revenue comes from you know uh the interest that people pay on borrowing die the die token um and you know to to you know with rates so high 5% um they’re they’re they’re a credit facility that’s like a bank right and so as these interest rates are really high

    They’re earning a lot of money they’re taking that money um to to kind of you know in in some capacity um remove maker from the market the mkr tokens from the market um so it has you know very very strict Supply um and it’s a token that

    Has real revenues based on on real usage so I I think it’s you know and and it’s one of the coins that I think in defi has a really strong Lindy component and Lindy just being it’s been kind of the Lindy effect is this idea that the longer something is around

    Longer a technology is around the more likely it is to kind of perpetuate into the future people get comfortable with it this is like the oldest defi application um so they’ve had lots of success throughout um even you know March 2020 um the die stablecoin maintained its Peg while tether and usdc

    And a lot of these things lost their Peg during the banking crisis in 2023 the Regional Crisis um usdc came wildly deeg people were freaked out that you know they had all sorts of different exposures to these banks that were failing which they did they had2 billion

    Doll worth of coins on svb people lost faith in that token guess what D maintained its Peg um and recovered you know any sort of deviations much quicker um people saw their reserves they’re onchain you could see what’s collateralizing these die tokens it’s not just trust so I think that this is

    Going to be a big idea make or Dow that’s one um and kind of going forward they do they’re doing a Rebrand so they’re putting forth a lot of efforts uh to marketing this they’re going to Red denominate the mkr token which is currently $2,000 per token um which and

    It’s got about a billion dollars maybe $1.2 billion dollar in market cap um they’re going to Red denominate it uh and the the coin will then come down it’s like a stock split in a sense uh will come down to I think right around you know five or 10 cents per token so

    You hold one maker token you’ll get 24,000 to one on these new uh governance tokens that they’re going to call it and this is like kind of a meme sort of play they’re they’re red denominating it because they I think they realized like markets tend to have unit biases um just

    Like when Amazon does a stock split or apple does a stock split people say well I don’t want to buy you know a $2,000 stock you know I want to buy a $10 stock and so with maker most people don’t really know you could buy you know a

    Fraction of a Bitcoin or a fraction of a maker $10 worth of it but because of this unit bias that stocks have you know kind of put in our minds this redenomination should gather more interest from from retail and then makers doing um subd Dows so they’re

    Reinventing um the Dow framework um kind of in a sense decentralizing or fragmenting the Dow structure to make them more uh specific to to each um you know set of financial activity maybe a lending and borrowing Dow a trading Dow um all on the maker uh platform is kind

    Of maker being that that that L1 for for Defi and all these subd Dows kind of like a L2 so I like that and then I also like um kind of a non-consensus take on bitcoin defi um through the stacks Network and the ticker for that one is

    STX and uh Stacks um I I’m just you know I think that this is very interesting because it’s got a really really um small market cap about you know a two billion dollar market cap maybe um but it’s like the only legitimate Layer Two on bitcoin and it’s a smart contract

    Layer on top of Bitcoin I think that there’s going to be more and more interest of you know Bitcoin as the ETF hits and the having so this kind of is a high beta play on that rides the coattails on um you know more Bitcoin flowing into uh or sorry more Capital

    Flowing into Bitcoin and if you also take a look at like there’s so many l2s on ethereum for instance optimism arbitrum madic you you name it right and there there’s you know 20 billion dollars callit of market value and probably another 20 billion dollars of total value locked um you know Stacks

    Has a fraction of that um a fraction of the market cap a fraction of the tvl so you’re kind of just betting hey a lot of this defi activity got really you know sticky and exciting on um on ethereum as as Bitcoin becomes more easily developed upon maybe there’s going to be an

    Ecosystem that’s there maybe more incentive programs so Stacks is another uh big bet again not Financial advice I’m just thinking you know from a from a highlevel perspective what are two kind of interesting maybe nons super consensus uh trade ideas that that I’m thinking about um those would be two

    Nice I dig it man there’s so many opportunities so many good coins so many good coins you’re actually spoiled for choice and whether depending on your risk if you want to go high risk you go low caps mid- risk midcaps and you know low risk over the high caps and there’s

    Just so many opportunities there for the people who put in their own due diligence I think you’ve named two great projects there that people now go do some more research on if they weren’t familiar with them already Bryce thank you so much man it’s great insights great conversation I really appreciate

    Having you on the channel you taking a bit of time out of your day to come talk crypto with us absolutely Lark thanks for having me uh and hopefully we’ll chat again Soon

    23 Comments

    1. "Not so friendly countries"? Bryce needs to get some perspective on how 'friendly' the US is (Iraq, Syria, Libya, Vietnam). The US is the most unfriendly country on Earth.

    2. Tectum's testnet handling 1.3 million transactions is an impressive feat. It could serve as a valuable benchmark for comparing with other blockchains. Perhaps you could explore this further to understand its significance better?

    3. You work for 40yrs to have $1m in your retirement, Meanwhile some people are putting just $10k in a meme coin for just few months and now they are multi millionaires. I pray that anyone who reads this will be successful in life

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