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    We built an app builder before that is too technical for a non-tech person to adopt, and too simple for a tech-savvy person to customize.

    Now that we're revamping, would love to hear your thoughts on how to conduct market research properly to define the right customer personas and the burning painpoints out there.

    Any suggestions, templates or experiences related? Thanks!

    Failed as we didn’t define our target customers. What’s next?
    byu/AppAlloy inEntrepreneur



    Posted by AppAlloy

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    1. That’s a 3-6 month project in itself, rather than something you’d get from a comment here. Do you know of any market researchers to sit down and discuss this with properly? This use to be my job prior to becoming an entrepreneur, so I know it’s not a few questions or template exercise.

    2. You can read these posts.

      [My product validation is completely different then real results. Advice?](https://www.reddit.com/r/Entrepreneur/comments/86pcc1/my_product_validation_is_completely_different/)

      [Need a bit of help; Created an amazing product, posted some images on social media, all the feedback has been extremely positive… but ZERO sales. How do I change this?](https://www.reddit.com/r/Entrepreneur/comments/eycm8w/need_a_bit_of_help_created_an_amazing_product/)

      [How To Crash Your Startup](https://www.reddit.com/r/Entrepreneur/comments/mupm4w/comment/gv8mh4q/?context=3)

      If there is a place where people do research even close to properly — then this forum is the furthest point from that place. All the word *validation* means in the here and now is falling for your own line of bullshit.

      As may become clear from reading; the reason this is such a tough question to answer is nobody pays the slightest attention to any legitimate book or advice on this topic. They ignore *every jot and tittle.* As you might imagine, [this situation is irksome.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hrimfgjf4k8)

      Then they post here, much as a desperate and distraught child will rush to an adult with a broken toy to fix.

    3. FewWillingness1081 on

      Honestly what better experience than going out and doing what you did. You guys are vet’s I bet now.

      You can try: [https://www.usertesting.com/](https://www.usertesting.com/)

      Or [https://www.surveymonkey.com/](https://www.surveymonkey.com/)

      Also, to be honest, some of the most people benefiting from app builders are newer developers, and designers.

      I know this because we’re a [design firm](https://www.24hour.design), and we’ve partnered as agency affiliates with [Bubble.io](http://Bubble.io) and [Adalo.com](http://Adalo.com)

      Don’t forget local focus groups as well!

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