Solana Crypto: The Future Will SHOCK You | What Comes Next?

Solana Crypto: The Future Will SHOCK You | What Comes Next?

in 10 years what does the future of Solana look like today I speak to Solana expert and strategy at the Solana Foundation Austin federa salana is designed to be the fastest system you can possibly build about the future of the fifth largest crypto and that’s before we look at updates like the fire dancer program which is aiming to 100x the network um from its current capacity I ask him about ethereum thoughts on the ethereum ETF does Solana need an ETF or do see it getting an ETF about artificial intelligence and Solana near protocol seems to be branding themselves as the L1 for AI how do you feel about that and what does AI look like for Solana main chain and watch today’s whole video because I ask Austin the tough questions outages on Solana why do they have why do they still happen in 2024 there was one hit the like button if you appreciate these conversations and Austin let’s start with your background yeah I have a pretty non-traditional background for someone who now works for a blockchain foundation um I originally went to school for political science and environmental science and uh economics um and then spent the first kind of two or three years out of school actually working in public media um both at NPR and other other member stations in that sort of public media network uh and then found myself up in Boston um and really got the startup bug and so I went to work for my first startup was there about a year and a half or so and then moved to New York to join a fintech company and that company was I would say rapidly failing which I wasn’t necessarily aware of when I uh when I joined it but so one of their last ditch efforts this was in kind of mid 2017 was to try and build something on blockchain uh so they were trying to build a borrow land token on ethereum way before anyone really had a a mass idea concept of what D5 might be um that company you know ended up failing it didn’t really anywhere but that really got me bit with the crypto bug uh and so I’ve been working in blockchain ever since and why Solana why’ you choose Solana yeah so I was working at bison Trails um up until their acquisition by coinbase and a whole bunch of the work I’ve been doing at the time was to help the product and platform team on their eth2 staking infrastructure roll out this is back when we were just launching the beacon chain and the idea was it was going to be a sharded ecosystem of you know up to a, and different shards all running on the base L1 um and you know I I just decided joining coinbase postacquisition probably wasn’t the right thing for me coinbase is an incredible company but I just didn’t think it would be right for the the kind of next step I wanted to make in in my career um and I was talking with a bunch of l2s and other protocols um and I hadn’t really talked to anyone at salana Labs or the salana foundation but two guys I used to work with at Republic back in the day actually had joined the Salo Labs team and they’re like you should go talked to Raj and anatol they’re doing some really cool stuff and I was like I don’t know we worked with like 20 30 different protocols at bison Trails I never talked to anyone at salana like what what’s interesting over there you got to remember this is the the very end of 2020 now um so salana had been live for about nine months at that point and they were like you should just just get on phun with them they’re super smart people like maybe it’s a fit maybe it’s not um and one of the first sort of questions I asked Anatoli was was some version of hey I’ve been doing a bunch of work here at viice and trails on the ethereum 2 infrastructure support I don’t understand how defi is going to work in a sharded ecosystem um liquidity is all about concentration uh how are you going to be able to transact atomically across different shards and he was like oh yeah they’re they’re totally wrong we we’re building things totally different here on salana um it’s building in one Global State machine with all the atomic compos ability that the original ethereum design had in it um he’s like I think you know the Market’s going one way this is not the consensus bet by any means but this is what we think is right uh and you know my thinking was I don’t you know I wasn’t Clairvoyant I wasn’t like oh this is this is going to be the third largest protocol in the world but I was like this is a really incedible interesting take on how you can build stuff differently and at the very least I will learn a ton working here and working under these folks uh and that was you know a little over three and a half years ago so I I believe uh a lot of new people are going to be onboarded into crypto this year the next 5 years for somebody who who has never heard of Solana maybe even in relation to bitcoin and ethereum what is Solana yeah so salana is a globally decentralized blockchain protocol that’s built for Mass adoption and scale and those are two words that I think if you’re coming from a web two background you take for granted everything in web 2 is built for scale you just throw more AWS credits at it and scale solves itself that is not the case in in blockchain and so one of the things that I think we found very early uh working on the salana project was that a lot of the developers in 2021 in 2022 that were coming over and building on the network this was their first time building in blockchain because they looked around they said I know how to build a startup in the web 2 world where we don’t have to worry about resource constraints we don’t have to worry about transaction capacity and so they found that salana was actually the best place for them to build because it shared a lot of those characteristics that made the sort of web 2 Enterprises so popular and so easy to build on at the time and so that was one of the main I would say advantages in the early days the network had now you know fast and scalable is a little bit more of a commodity than it was back in the day there’s several fast blockchains nowadays that all offer you know fairly High transaction capacity and you know fairly fast finality but back in 2021 salana was really the only game in in town for that and so that was where a lot of that original adoption came from um the Network’s in a very different place today people choose salana for a whole slew of technical reasons when they do intense diligence like Visa you know when they chose salana last year as sort of the place to scale their usdc pilot that was entirely based on the merits of the technology stack but the community now is you know probably the second or third largest community in in blockchain and that has become an increasing reason why people uh decide to build on Solana for the network effect and for the community how is Solana different than a cardano or polka dot because they both are have more scaled in ethereum those were known to be the ethereum killers with co-founders of ethereum starting their own projects yeah um what’s the difference today so I don’t think Sala really should be considered an ethereum killer there’s nothing in the salana architecture that is really setting itself up to kill ethereum I mean for starters we don’t even have evm compatibility on the network so if we trying to kill ethereum evm compatibility would have probably been a good thing to to include um salana really is an execution layer play it is it is based on the idea that we need open competitive markets that where every Market participant has the same level of access as everyone else and the thesis really is that’s only possible in one Global State machine that is actually fully compatible with the ethereum and Bitcoin view of the world if you want Bitcoin as your settlement layer for all of eternity if you want ethereum as your settlement layer for all eternity you you can actually still get that but you should be transacting in the cheapest fastest highest throughput Market you can and and that is really the value proposition of salana um you know there there’s sort of the left curve right curve you know Meme going around all all the time and you you can think of it as on one extreme you have you know something like Bitcoin which is pure utility pure settlement pure store value on the other side there’s something that’s you know fully executional like salana and you know there’s there’s a whole Middle Ground of protocols in the middle that have picked a different point on that curve as to which thing they’re optimizing for um but Solana’s real design decisions are all focused on execution speed and execution capacity if Tim Cook or anybody from Apple comes to you and they say hey I really want to know why maybe we should build on Solana versus a cardano is it more scalable is that hold true you know I’m going to be honest that’s not a question that we are often asked um it it is certainly more scalable um you know salana today has the highest transaction capacity of any network and that’s before we look at updates like the fired dancer program which is aiming to 100x the network um from its current capacity the goal of that project over the next three years is to hit 1 million transactions per second that’s the goal we’ll see what they actually you know are able to get to but um you know firedancer is on testet now and so what we are seeing is this new validator client with this new networking stack put in it um is extremely performant in these in these environments and so um you know what we sometimes people look at salana and they’re sort of like oh that the they’ve scaled it’s like no no no this is just the beginning scaling Is Never Done scaling is a is a consistent project it’s not a oneandone activity fire dancer is slated to come by the end of this year I believe if when that happens that 100x in scale you were speaking about what what does that allow you to do you know five years down the line 10 years down the line yeah so I think it’s important also to note so fire dancer they’re they’re targeting to ship um the version It’s called Franken dancer uh because there’s there’s the the networking stack is the main new component that’s coming to mainnet their their goal is to ship that by the end of December I think they’re very likely to sort of hit that that goal uh day one you will not see you know a massive spike in transaction capacity on the network because even though all these systems are now built for much higher capacity and throughput there’s other things in the protocol that to be adjusted the CU limit uh for example Taps out I think about 880,000 transactions per second with the current CU limit now that’s something that can just be raised by a protocol governance vote but what you’ll probably see is is a steady increase in transaction capacity over sort of the six months after fire dancer starts to ship um as we sort of test the limits of what this new uh version of the network is able to do and in terms of like what is the scale you need on sort of a multi-year Time Horizon um what we’re really looking at here is trying to is trying to build a Bas layer Network that is capable of handling all the world’s market information that’s a very lofty multi-year ambition um but you know what we see is every time there is a step function change in cost or availability new types of applications get built that we never imagined right the 2G iPhone to the 3G iPhone was the difference between you know 45 seconds to load a Wikipedia page and Tinder right like that that change in bandwidth that change in response time opened up an entirely new class of products that weren’t previously possible before uh you couldn’t build Uber on 2G internet you can suddenly build Uber on 3G internet uh let alone kind of the stuff we have today and so you know people often ask me what do we need the scale for and the answer is I don’t entirely know I don’t think anyone has a concrete vision of this is exactly what we need a million TPS to be able to do the beauty is to give developers access to a million TPS and see what crazy things they come up with do you see uh the New York Stock Exchange for example being tokenized on the salon blockchain yeah I think those are those are exactly the type of use cases that uh this is really getting built out to support now there’s a whole bunch of regulatory issues to get through before something like that could happen but from a technology standpoint um that is the sort of vision of of salana right now in the United States there are you know several different exchang right the New York the CME exchange uh those are not integrated exchanges those are those are isolated trading venues that yes have lots of piping between them but the execution is done in these particular environments now you could see a world where suddenly there are uh Central order book style exchanges which there are on salana that are handling you know equities and commodities and all sorts of different types of asset classes and a Trader in Singapore has no disadvantage compared to a Trader in New York and that is the right now that not the case companies spend tens of millions of dollars a year to have a computer physically located in the stock exchange data center because it’s faster and better access the whole promise of blockchain is universal access anywhere in the world and so that is really uh what that long-term vision is is can we can we have a network that can handle the volume of transactions needed to run something like the New York Stock Exchange or 10 New York stock exchanges without the sort of location Primacy and centralization that comes with the current centralized exchange models Austin I want to throw you a curveball I’m sure nobody’s asked you this in this last week but thoughts on the ethereum ETF uh it’s awesome to see uh seriously like the the work that the Bitcoin community did over the last 10 years to hammer through and eventually get an ETF approved uh was huge um the work that the ethereum community has done to get the first proof of stake uh ETF approved um you know it’s one of those real celebratory moments for the entire industry to come together around do you think that precedent uh just helps um in in a non-direct way for other dap platforms like Solana and do does Solana need an ETF or do you see it getting an ETF I certainly hope so uh I I have no you know inside information on if or when that would be it’s you know it’s not like uh you know The Regulators would talk to us about something like that anyway they’d be talking directly to the the companies that would actually be issuing something like an ETF um but it seems likely to me that this is uh something we’ll start to see a lot more of that a number of different uh proof of stake networks are going to be able to get these type of uh regulated Financial products created um in this you know what seems to be a pretty dramatic change in how the SEC is looking at this stuff um this is great for investors too right like this is a thing I think that people forget is for you know folks like us who are three native and are very comfortable with self- custody and Hardware wallets and ETF isn’t really that exciting to us we can already you know buy our Bitcoin and ethereum and salana and self- custody and keep ourselves safe but for for most investors that is just simply not something that they’re able or willing to do they either buy crypto and they hold it on exchanges and you know exchanges are great but every once in a while something like FTX happens and so if we had had highly regulated ETFs in the United States uh the damage from something like an FTX Fallout may have been way lower because the majority of these sort of less sophisticated retail buyers might be buying in something like an ETF vehicle which has all of the Regulatory safeguards and protection as a gold ETF or or you know any other type of exchange traded product has and so you know I think that’s a really big unlock for the industry it’s really great for Consumer Protection as well and it can actually make it easier for you know folks who have retirement accounts to get access to the the potential of crypto what has changed for Solana in 2024 specifically ecosystem wise like what’s being built what are you excited about uh you know so so much so I’ll say that you know this has been sort of one of those like intense growth years for the network um so a huge amount has changed on the underlying Network Technology stack and that has unlocked a lot of different types of of use cases as well so some of this was the end of 2023 but but you know uh jto and Jupiter really coming out on the scene that’s been really a big moment for the network where folks are able to see the trading performance of a network like salana being able to go there with Jupiter and Phoenix and all these other D5 products um I’ve been really interested in looking at the work that helium has been doing um in terms of building you know a cell phone network that is a decentralized physical infrastructure Network I think they just flipped over um where now more than 50% of the data that’s being used on the helium network is actually being served by helium hotspots as opposed to their fallback telecommunications Partners um so that’s really exciting to see and sort of the work on Meme coins obviously has been one of the big things that I think has taken the Internet by storm um in terms of SL of mem coin activity so you know it’s really great to see communities galvanizing around meme coins and kind of having fun in blockchain again something that wasn’t on my 2024 crypto Bingo sheet was obviously m blew up on the salana ecosystem but what I saw is that every other major L1 ecosystem then started they were proud of their mem coins they wanted to talk about the community being built on there did that surprise you I mean there is this thing in crypto where there’s a lot of narrative chasing so whatever happens on one network someone sort of says me too and tries to do it somewhere else as well uh that’s always been a part of crypto right we had this uh with all the Unis swap clones back in 21 and uh you know 20 that popped up and so all the mem coin clones that have popped up you know it feels reminiscent of that but memec coins are are great for networks I mean they are a very lowcost stress test of a bunch of components that you’ve maybe never had a chance to stress test before uh like someone launched a proof of work token on salana who would do that why would they do that well it actually it helped optimize the network for a bunch of different types of uh use cases now so uh you know memes are really communities in early formation and the meme coins that are successful and it’s it’s a very few percentage of them but it’s a few of them they graduate into maybe a whole new status maybe we should call things like Doge and bonk and shba and even Bitcoin you know Community tokens they’re no longer meme tokens they they’ve sort of hit escape velocity for lack of a better term do you see the US government adopting the salana blockchain and if yes what ways could they do that I think it’s too early to say you know would a government in the United States adopt any specific type of blockchain technology I mean we we’ve seen California have some experiments with a closed Fork of tesos for um I think it’s their driers license registry or motor vehicle registry um which is really exciting to see what I’ll say is like you know we when we have conversations with folks in DC or folks who are talking to folks in DC government is very interested in in blockchain they’re starting to understand that US dollar stable coins are really an important part of maintaining US dollar dominance over the international landscape and if we don’t make it easy for people to be able to send money and businesses to be able to send money anywhere in the world you know in uh one second of finality or less for a fraction of a penny we’re going to lose out to other countries that are building those type of Technologies now I don’t think a central bank digital currency is maybe the way it’s going to get done in the United States but if we have good stable coin legislation um that would basically have the ability to have a stable coin treated as good as cash with the same security that you’d get on a money market fund or any other type of good as cash product um this could be a really big unlock for the US economy and I think folks in DC are are really finally starting to take notice of this especially as we’re seeing uh more trade competition heat up internationally I mean t+1 settlement or even the eight hours it takes a wied transfer to clear that’s a meaningful amount of time for many businesses like you said earlier ethere Solana is not an ethereum killer you guys are growing together different people are adopting you um the cream is rising to the top in the crypto space in general as the as the space grows but no denying Solana ecosystem is killing it do you see Solana surpassing ethereum I think we have to Define what surpassing means in market cap uh who knows I I think if I could make accurate predictions on crypto prices I would have a yacht by now um but you know what I’ll say is like the the salon ecosystem has been growing tremendously as you said ‘s no signs of that slowing down uh that being said you know salana does not need to flip the market cap of ethereum for salana to be an incredibly vibrant productive and incredible Network that has you know the highest users of any of any blockchain the pi is truly big enough for all of us and the pi is also I will remind folks tiny today a very small fraction of the world has used blockchain or transacts on blockchain every week uh there’s so much grow growth left for this industry as a whole um you know I am not focused folks of the Sal Foundation are not focused on sort of the relative position in the charts of these things it really is about the long-term technology vision and doing what we can to move towards a a future where more things are powered by blockchain I love that I love that and and this interview is being released while consensus is happening um you’re going to be a consensus or you guys going to Solana has a presence there or just attending uh yeah there’s a bunch of us from the foundation few folks from salana Labs going down um uh Raj the co-founder of salana will be speaking um on the main stage of consensus uh I have a a fun modular versus monolithic debate I’m doing with one of the Celestia co-founders um and then there’s a bunch of other people uh talking about other initiatives on salana elsewhere as well I think shz is talking a lot about payments and stable coin adoption on the network um he runs uh a lot of the finance and payment work here at the foundation as well and lots of Engineers will be in town so plenty of people to talk with I’m glad I didn’t know you’re doing a debate on modularity I think you said with Celestia that’s I I want to that’s why I asked you like the cardano question earlier not to like pit anybody against each other because the quality ones are growing together but like what is the difference between Solana and what these other blockchains are doing now I’m an average retail investor I’m not a tech guy so we can’t go too deep but like I remember somebody asked this to Charles hoskinson once like why before eth 2 why is cardano better than eth 2 eth2 is going to solve everything and one of the things he brought up was composability um it’s just easier to be more seamless on the blockchain I was like okay cool that is that’s a big difference so what other differences are there with Solana yeah I mean that is what the one Global State uh design of salana really is designed to enable so you know if you go back to the early days of ethereum one right you’re you’re sort of typical L1 14 to 21 transactions per second but you could have a transaction that would take a flash loan off of a collateral trade it through one market trade it through another Market trade it through another market and actually pay back that loan within the exact same transaction that is atomic composability that is the Holy Grail for composability in blockchain and today that is only possible if you are running in the same state so if you’re trying to do an atomic transa you cannot do an atomic transaction between one L2 another L2 or even between two different l1s because they operate in different states so if it takes let’s just say one or two seconds to to do a transaction from one network to another there’s no guarantee that the state of that second network will be the same by the time the transaction gets there maybe in just the most boring classic example the nft you’re trying to B up bought by someone else or the market price moved out of your slippage tolerance range and so composability is one of the key features of a network like salana um salana can also do you know it a steady state about 4,000 transactions per second at this point so you know it’s that combination of single Global State high composability high transaction throughput and 400 millisecond uh block finality also allows the network to just move at a pace that is much faster than other networks out there today and really good for defi it’s really good for all sorts of other types of applications too and you think that’s better better than modularity it’s different um so I’ll say for a lot of types of applications it is better right I I think the the there’s really no one honest in the modular side who would say that you know modular inherently is better from a composability perspective because it’s it’s just simply not now there’s a lot of other reasons you might want a modular design system right and and one of them might be you just don’t believe that systems that are not modular can scale and you know that is maybe a philosophical uh position that someone has and you know time will tell I think uh I’m very confident in sonus ability scale over time it’s proven that so far it’s continuing to prove that into the future um but that that’s one reason that someone might say oh you know I I think we need a different approach here so I think it’s going to be a good a good conversation for sure for sure and speaking of different l1s just doing different things at least branding wise doing different things near protocol seems to be branding themselves as the L1 for AI how do you feel about that and what does AI look like for salana main chain yeah I mean there have been a number of AI projects on salana for I think over a year at this point so you know kzco uh is an llm training model system built on salana uh IET is a distributed GPU for AI training on salana uh the render Network which originally started on on ethereum is actually grated to salana and they do everything from video rendering for you know like HBO TV show opening kind of high quality renderings um to actually the ability to do some AI workloads now on on uh the render model as well so you know Ai and blockchain it’s one of those things where I think it’s still slightly looking for product Market fit um it’s not fully there yet but there’s a lot of areas where I think blockchain can solve or at least supplement a lot of the training data problems the model problems the sort of provability of outcome problems that AI is having um but you know I I sometimes you hear sort of this idea that like from the from the blockchain people that like AI needs blockchain and I’m not sure how true that is today you don’t hear the AI people saying oh we really need blockchain and so every time it’s going one way there’s always a question of like is this a narrative someone’s trying to push or is this is this real um and I think time will time will tell from that perspective but um I think there’s no doubt that AI will be an important component of all of these blockchain networks over the long term couple more questions then I’ll let you go sure in 10 years what does the future of Solano look like 10 years um so this may happen earlier than 10 years but let me give you that kind of long-term Vision um so multiple concurrent block producers around the world so right now there’s there’s one leader at a time that produces blocks on salana this is the same as really every other network at this point but salon’s long-term vision is actually the ability to have two validators in different parts of the world con currently produce a block and then in execution because we have this thing called proof of History where every transaction that comes in effectively has a time stamp on exactly when it was accepted by the validator network you can then kind of take these two concurrent blocks zip them together using those proof of History ticks and execute blocks in order in this one sort of streaming transaction set and so over time you know the goal is to have 2 48 16 multiple concurrent block producers so the shortest distance between you and a validator might be as low as 50 milliseconds anywhere in the world at any given moment and so at that point markets on salana will move just as fast as the traditional financial markets potentially even faster and so you’ll see you know some some news happens in one part of the world the market reacts in functionally real time um and that is really the the long-term power and vision of the salana network you know 10 years out we might be looking at you know several million transactions per second of capacity um you know the network of that uh of let’s call that what 2034 would look very different than the Sala network of today um I know this fire dancer is going to solve this but outages on Solana why do they have why do they still happen in 2024 there was one and and what are your thoughts so there’s two there’s two answers for why outages still happen and at at the most base level outages happen um because there is one client right now and when that client encounters a problem it is designed to Halt right there are other networks that just continue processing and Sort of hope it can get fixed later where they have massive reorgs where rewrites you know 48 Hours of chain history as we’ve seen on some some l2s and l3s um you know that is uh that is just not necessarily the most responsible decision to make and so when the network gets into a place where for whatever reason it’s not able to resolve a conflict it stops and it it says all right validat Network it’s time for some some manual intervention here um and so that is kind of why the outages occur now they’re they’re occurring much less frequently than than they used to um but part of this is also a trade-off in terms of how quickly can you build new features how quickly can you ship new software versus how heavily are you are you focusing on stability and so that uh ratio for lack for better term changed maybe um you know a year and a half ago or so where the sort of pace of rapid rapid fire development was was pulled back a little bit there’s a little bit more focus on stability from the core teams that are working on the network um and what we’ve seen is that the the outages are much less frequent and the downtime is is less when an outage does occur um so having a second independent client will actually help with the resiliency of the network um there is no sort of magic uh Magic Bullet here though um you know salana is designed to be the fastest system you can possibly build and and in order to achieve that at times you know there may still be outages into the future now the goal is 100% up time for all the validator operators and all these core folks building the network but you know if you look if we looked back and said you know in 3 years from now uh maybe there hasn’t been a single Salon outage but the network still has about the same transaction capacity as it does today I think if you pulled most developers and users they would say that’s not a good trade-off and that is the trade-off that many other networks have made they fundamentally haven’t scaled to additional capacity um and you know maybe that’s not entirely because uh they’ve chosen that sort of uptime over performance um but you know we have to remember in the early days AWS used to go down all the time it doesn’t anymore these things hit a certain maturity and scale where systems start to adapt people start you know the all the bugs are found for the lack for better term The Operators um are getting more professional in in what their operating principles are and how they manage these types of things uh and so over time it is a problem that should fix itself Austin I appreciate you sharing your time man links for you Solana Down Below in the video description um I really do feel I have such a better understanding of one of the main players in cryptocurrency today so thank you final thoughts for the altcoin daily audience uh yeah thanks for thanks for having me on um if you haven’t tried salana uh Go download a wallet Phantom’s pretty popular soul soul flare is pretty popular and just just try transacting on the network I think uh people often feel like it’s cheating it it feels as Snappy and responsive as a web 2 experience and you know for many people that is sort of a game changer for them to experience

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TimeStamps:
00:00 Intro
00:59 Austin Federa’s Background
04:22 What is Solana?
06:27 SOL vs ADA vs DOT?
09:14 Firedancer Upgrade Explained
11:35 Will NYSE Tokenize on Solana?
13:02 Will Solana Get An ETF?
15:03 Top Altcoins Building on Solana
18:16 US Government Adopting Solana
19:52 Will Solana Surpass Ethereum?
22:02 Why is Solana BETTER Than Other Altcoins?
25:21 Artificial Intelligence on Solana
27:03 The Future of Solana Crypto Will SHOCK You
28:52 Outages on Solana
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