Sounds like an oligopoly. Break up AT&T and Verizon.
Euro347 on
I’m sure SpaceX would have the best cellular network and coverage, pushing everyone else out. I’m curious how this will work for $ASTS??? Further delayed?
MikeTip on
As i sit here and wait for my shitty AT&T service to load the post.
LittleHottie8675309 on
is this like blockbuster getting pissed at netflix?
A_Vandalay on
Which will inevitably get denied by the FCC. This is pretty clearly a declining industry demanding government intervention to prevent disruptive technologies.
Misaka9615 on
They going the ASTS route
etzel1200 on
Chatgpt, please define regulatory capture. Give examples of companies using it to inhibit competition.
ChirrBirry on
T-mobile, we use all the best towers *and* satellites…
lollipop999 on
All the regards in the post sucking daddy Musks D need to actually go do some DD
LimpTurd on
this post is garbage. let me dumb it down for the regards here. starlink sucks and needs the rules changed to even attempt a comeback. (which made verizon and att mad) and ASTS has all the major backing, Verizon, ATT and 50 others worldwide, including the US government.
Samjabr on
This seems bullish for SpaceX – when you have to go crying to the government to win, usually not a good sign.
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GPTfleshlight on
Lolorama
uselessartist on
ASSTITS PREPARE TO LAUNCH IN
garconcn on
It means ASTS has no threat to their business
Arathorn-the-Wise on
SpaceX is a private company, thus no a stocks. Therefore bad for stocks and those tasty dividends.
OTN on
Competitors trying a little regulatory capture no surprise there
jbetances134 on
They want to eliminate competition so they can continue monopolizing the market.
Seriously living in New York I doubt Starlink would work well with all these tall buildings. The residential building I live in only has spectrum as the only provider, so they can set whatever price they want.
cmorris1234 on
Jealous much?
jmemail on
verizon $100m into ASTS, AT&T written commitment, Apple manufacturing commitment all to ASTS
dbm5 on
*shocked pikachu face*
Loopgod- on
They don’t want to give vertical monopolization to a volatile CEO
Raveen396 on
I work on mostly the terrestrial side, but from reading SpaceX’s paper, it seems that their argument is that
1. The regulation is needlessly strict and that relaxing the specification should have minimal impact on throughput
2. In the worst case scenario SpaceX can come up with, the relaxation of specification they are proposing should not significantly impact downlink performance.
Re#1: There is some merit to arguing for relaxing and updating specifications where needed. A lot of 3GPP specifications were written decades ago with much older technology, using less advanced modeling techniques, for a very different spectrum allocation, and in an overly conservative manner. Regulatory agencies like the FCC and 3GPP have very little incentive to update existing out of date regulations, and usually only do so after being lobbied by corporations who would like to use that spectrum. I can think of a few bands with unnecessarily strict regulations to protect spectrum allocated technologies that were last used decades ago, but nobody wants to stick out their neck and change it when companies have been working around it this entire time.
In general, people memeing about SpaceX “begging for government intervention” really don’t understand how this industry works. Pretty much every major player in telecommunications is constantly working with government regulatory bodies around the world to update specifications. As others have noted, ASTS themselves submitted a similar waiver before and I’d expect most commercial products working on cutting edge technology (5G FR2, WiFi7, satellite cellular, etc) to submit some form of waiver because this stuff is really complicated on the implementation and regulatory side.
Re#2: I find SpaceX’s arguments in this case to be a bit tenuous. Skimming through their waiver and supplementary application, I think SpaceX does a decent job of outlining a theoretical “worst case” scenario for their emissions output and UE noise floor, but their conclusion to set the specification at 3dB below an ideal UE’s noise floor instead of 10dB seems way too aggressive, and is unlikely to convince the highly conservative FCC/3GPP. Their ultimate argument is “in the worst case theoretical scenario we’re *barely* at the UE noise floor, so in the real world we’ll be way below noise floor!” does not seem like one that would convince regulators.
TL;DR can’t buy puts because private company RIP
TruckHorus on
Smells like pnd and bag holders in here 
SnooRegrets6428 on
Looks like conflict between ASTS and TSLA bagholders
sleepiestOracle on
Yeah. Elon will sell us all for a penny. Keep him out of everything
OriginalJayVee on
I can’t wait for these old school bloated cell phone companies to get decimated by satellite based service.
DangerousBugInMe on
# AT&T – piece of shit
blackbarminnosu on
Obviously starlink is a terrific upgrade for those in isolated areas, but for 95% of the population is this even relevant? Am I really going to get a better service by going to space for a signal instead of the tower a couple miles away?
blofeldfinger on
Most people here think that they can replace legacy carriers with space telco. Hint – you cant – physics.
xrxox on
This shit is a pump and dump, just like galactic v
Cold-Permission-5249 on
FCC, SpaceX, and T-Mobile should tell them to go pound sand.
Berto_ on
Elon in charge of communications. That’ll be good.
vmx-12 on
OP is great speciment of musk cult.
DigSubstantial8934 on
Nooo, not competition!
v7z7v7 on
*”Two of the three oligarchs in the cellular industry tell FCC that they don’t want to compete for their money”
Fixed it for everyone!
eschmi on
Not to mention… would you really want elon in charge of your phone services? The same guy whose startlink that was given to Ukraine mysteriously shut down right before a russian offensive? And cant keep employees to run shit because he fires them every time he has a tantrum.
kad202 on
Aka “we will lose market monopoly if you let them have it”
The moment FCC toss their complaints out of window, I might be tempting to go short on them
Mofu__Mofu on
Is TSLA getting targeted (politics) or is their Starlink just that terrible / expensive so they invest in ASTS instead?
Possibly both? 🤔
lionheart4life on
We definitely don’t want our phones getting shut off if one guy happens to get butthurt that day.
glitter_my_dongle on
Musk’s knack has always been beating monopolies. So you can’t blame him nor them.
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Sounds like an oligopoly. Break up AT&T and Verizon.
I’m sure SpaceX would have the best cellular network and coverage, pushing everyone else out. I’m curious how this will work for $ASTS??? Further delayed?
As i sit here and wait for my shitty AT&T service to load the post.
is this like blockbuster getting pissed at netflix?
Which will inevitably get denied by the FCC. This is pretty clearly a declining industry demanding government intervention to prevent disruptive technologies.
They going the ASTS route
Chatgpt, please define regulatory capture. Give examples of companies using it to inhibit competition.
T-mobile, we use all the best towers *and* satellites…
All the regards in the post sucking daddy Musks D need to actually go do some DD
this post is garbage. let me dumb it down for the regards here. starlink sucks and needs the rules changed to even attempt a comeback. (which made verizon and att mad) and ASTS has all the major backing, Verizon, ATT and 50 others worldwide, including the US government.
This seems bullish for SpaceX – when you have to go crying to the government to win, usually not a good sign.
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Lolorama
ASSTITS PREPARE TO LAUNCH IN
It means ASTS has no threat to their business
SpaceX is a private company, thus no a stocks. Therefore bad for stocks and those tasty dividends.
Competitors trying a little regulatory capture no surprise there
They want to eliminate competition so they can continue monopolizing the market.
Seriously living in New York I doubt Starlink would work well with all these tall buildings. The residential building I live in only has spectrum as the only provider, so they can set whatever price they want.
Jealous much?
verizon $100m into ASTS, AT&T written commitment, Apple manufacturing commitment all to ASTS
*shocked pikachu face*
They don’t want to give vertical monopolization to a volatile CEO
I work on mostly the terrestrial side, but from reading SpaceX’s paper, it seems that their argument is that
1. The regulation is needlessly strict and that relaxing the specification should have minimal impact on throughput
2. In the worst case scenario SpaceX can come up with, the relaxation of specification they are proposing should not significantly impact downlink performance.
Re#1: There is some merit to arguing for relaxing and updating specifications where needed. A lot of 3GPP specifications were written decades ago with much older technology, using less advanced modeling techniques, for a very different spectrum allocation, and in an overly conservative manner. Regulatory agencies like the FCC and 3GPP have very little incentive to update existing out of date regulations, and usually only do so after being lobbied by corporations who would like to use that spectrum. I can think of a few bands with unnecessarily strict regulations to protect spectrum allocated technologies that were last used decades ago, but nobody wants to stick out their neck and change it when companies have been working around it this entire time.
In general, people memeing about SpaceX “begging for government intervention” really don’t understand how this industry works. Pretty much every major player in telecommunications is constantly working with government regulatory bodies around the world to update specifications. As others have noted, ASTS themselves submitted a similar waiver before and I’d expect most commercial products working on cutting edge technology (5G FR2, WiFi7, satellite cellular, etc) to submit some form of waiver because this stuff is really complicated on the implementation and regulatory side.
Re#2: I find SpaceX’s arguments in this case to be a bit tenuous. Skimming through their waiver and supplementary application, I think SpaceX does a decent job of outlining a theoretical “worst case” scenario for their emissions output and UE noise floor, but their conclusion to set the specification at 3dB below an ideal UE’s noise floor instead of 10dB seems way too aggressive, and is unlikely to convince the highly conservative FCC/3GPP. Their ultimate argument is “in the worst case theoretical scenario we’re *barely* at the UE noise floor, so in the real world we’ll be way below noise floor!” does not seem like one that would convince regulators.
TL;DR can’t buy puts because private company RIP
Smells like pnd and bag holders in here 
Looks like conflict between ASTS and TSLA bagholders
Yeah. Elon will sell us all for a penny. Keep him out of everything
I can’t wait for these old school bloated cell phone companies to get decimated by satellite based service.
# AT&T – piece of shit
Obviously starlink is a terrific upgrade for those in isolated areas, but for 95% of the population is this even relevant? Am I really going to get a better service by going to space for a signal instead of the tower a couple miles away?
Most people here think that they can replace legacy carriers with space telco. Hint – you cant – physics.
This shit is a pump and dump, just like galactic v
FCC, SpaceX, and T-Mobile should tell them to go pound sand.
Elon in charge of communications. That’ll be good.
OP is great speciment of musk cult.
Nooo, not competition!
*”Two of the three oligarchs in the cellular industry tell FCC that they don’t want to compete for their money”
Fixed it for everyone!
Not to mention… would you really want elon in charge of your phone services? The same guy whose startlink that was given to Ukraine mysteriously shut down right before a russian offensive? And cant keep employees to run shit because he fires them every time he has a tantrum.
Aka “we will lose market monopoly if you let them have it”
The moment FCC toss their complaints out of window, I might be tempting to go short on them
Is TSLA getting targeted (politics) or is their Starlink just that terrible / expensive so they invest in ASTS instead?
Possibly both? 🤔
We definitely don’t want our phones getting shut off if one guy happens to get butthurt that day.
Musk’s knack has always been beating monopolies. So you can’t blame him nor them.
Aww, someone’s mad about competition.