There has been plenty of discussion on WSB regarding balooning US debt, and I don't intend to rehash things already said. I did find it interesting though, or noteworthy at least, that the Swiss finance minister expressed concerns I am sure many of us have at the back of our minds regarding when the US debt bubble is going to burst.
"Or take a look at America. That's a time bomb. The mini-crash on the stock markets at the start of August was a warning shot," the minister was quoted as saying.
https://money.usnews.com/investing/news/articles/2024-08-24/swiss-finance-minister-chides-us-europe-over-time-bomb-debt-levels
Posted by mabozeur
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Stonks only goes up
We got JPOW and his 🖨️s
Swiss have their Swiss 🧀 and army knives
The U.S. isn’t going to pay down its national debt. There is no repayment plan in place to guarantee that level of commitment from President to President, government to government. And life events make it harder to do so. Next debt ceiling debate is an increase and media covering like it’s end times.
lol finance minister just means “not good enough couldn’t get a real job”.
It will probably burst between the next week and two hundred years.
US debt is a serious issue, but the august mini-crash wasn’t caused by it.
Those UBS bags be heavy lmao
I still don’t understand why the government needs to borrow money when almost all money is created out of nothing by private banks in the form of debt. Seems like a scam.
Europoors to Eurobroke?
Many people here don’t seem to understand US debt, so here is chatgpt’s answer to whether Us debt is out of control:
The question of whether the U.S. debt level is “out of control” is a matter of perspective and depends on several economic, political, and fiscal factors. Here’s a breakdown of the key considerations:
1. Current Debt Levels:
• As of 2024, U.S. national debt exceeds $32 trillion. This is a significant amount, and the debt-to-GDP ratio (a common measure of a country’s debt relative to its economic output) is over 120%, which is historically high for the U.S.
2. Sustainability of Debt:
• Interest Payments: A crucial aspect of managing debt is the government’s ability to service it. The U.S. still has the ability to make interest payments on its debt, but as interest rates rise, these payments consume a larger portion of the federal budget, potentially crowding out other spending priorities.
• Economic Growth: If the economy grows robustly, the debt-to-GDP ratio could stabilize or even decrease, making the debt more manageable. However, slow growth or a recession could exacerbate the debt burden.
3. Impact on Future Generations:
• High levels of debt can be a burden on future generations, who might face higher taxes or reduced government services to manage or reduce the debt. However, borrowing today for investments that spur economic growth, such as infrastructure or education, could benefit future generations.
4. Historical Context:
• The U.S. has had high debt levels before, particularly after World War II, and managed to bring them down through a combination of economic growth, inflation, and fiscal policy adjustments. However, the current debt level is more peacetime-related, driven by tax cuts, entitlement spending, and emergency measures like those during the COVID-19 pandemic.
5. Global Confidence and Reserve Currency Status:
• The U.S. benefits from issuing debt in its own currency (the dollar), which is the world’s primary reserve currency. This status allows the U.S. to borrow at lower interest rates than other countries might be able to. A loss of confidence in U.S. fiscal management could undermine this advantage, though there is currently no imminent sign of such a shift.
6. Political Will:
• Managing the debt effectively requires political consensus on fiscal policy, which includes decisions on spending, taxation, and borrowing. The U.S. has faced political gridlock on these issues, which complicates efforts to address the debt sustainably.
7. Comparison to Other Countries:
• While U.S. debt levels are high, they are not unprecedented globally. Some other advanced economies, like Japan, have much higher debt-to-GDP ratios. However, the economic and social structures of these countries differ, making direct comparisons challenging.
Conclusion:
Whether the U.S. debt is “out of control” depends on future economic conditions, fiscal policy decisions, and the government’s ability to manage interest payments and promote growth. While the debt level is certainly high and could pose risks if not managed prudently, it is not necessarily “out of control” in the sense that it poses an immediate crisis. However, without proactive measures to address underlying fiscal imbalances, the situation could become more precarious in the future. The key is finding a balance between necessary borrowing for growth and ensuring long-term fiscal sustainability.
Why don’t those chocolate eating knife makers deal with Debit Sus first before stepping into everyone else’s business?
A debt crisis would be an event for sure. But at the end of the day, the USA infrastructure and physical assets that have been built won’t dissapear. A better term might be a “re organization” of how money is dispersed… Might be coming.
Aka government spending might fall dramatically for a few years, causing hard decisions on how much businesses and the wealthiest contribute to our government. It’s just a timebomb of when government is forced to raise taxes.
Or, more likely, continue to inflate away the debt
The country that produces nothing but profit and power for the elite criticizes the countries that do the work and create the assets. And claiming the dip in the market had to do with debt? She’s a human signaling wealthiness, national identity and elitism imo
Meanwhile swiss banks implode, lol
Problem is not really the debt. US can just print money, it’s inefficient economy not capable to exist without artificial money printing. Bad luck might lead to 1929 style economic crisis.
“Meanwhile we’ll keep eroding your tax base by attracting your companies and wealthy investors.” Kind greetings, the Swiss (who incidentally with Credit Suisse have barely closed the books on the biggest near bank failure since the great financial crisis).
The irony is palpable
is this what granny means by the Pot calling the Kettle Black?
Scary how little some people in leadership roles understand about our monetary system
If maybe the swiss weren’t hiding all that money in tax shelters that debt would be lore manageable.
Inflation and money creation will be used to inflate that debt away
Nice, Canada must be fine. Â
Shut up, nerd. Worry about your own country!
Switzerland can be neutral and chide these nuts.
About 36% of the debt is “intra-governmental” that we owe ourselves. We could just delete those rows in the spreadsheet and knock it down 12 trillion.
This is really a shitty 2 sentence review of a very long discussion about several Topics and also from our newspaper which always had naked girls on page 2…
First of all Switzerland has it’s own „formular to balance defecits, over economic cycles”
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schuldenbremse_(Schweiz)
That’s why she is defending it and showing that debt can be managed differnently.
This is currently a big discussion as we anyway are on a GDP/National Reserve Balance sheet, ratio like Japan.
We are dependend on the dollar, all big Companys even report in Dollar.
A weak dollar makes our earnings bad, while a strong CHF makes our exports difficult.
That’s why the SNB has a huge balance sheet of foreign currencies.