With the amount of Chips and breast implants you would think the US would have silicon locked down
Tom_Ford-8632 on
What do you mean “don’t work?” Tariffs are protectionist. It’s just math. What your data seems to show is that Chinese innovation is outpacing the government’s protectionist efforts.
Tariffs do work though, and they are a much better (imo) source of revenue than taxing income and investments.
wildyam on
*Someone email this to the CheetoCheater.*
XiMaoJingPing on
i need you to explain this graph to my regarded self
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No-Anchovies on
Good. The consumer won
Max-entropy999 on
The y axis should be log, so that we can actually see the learning rate.
Old-Tiger-4971 on
Neither do sanctions since Russia’s about the same place economy and exchange rates as before the sanctions.
Of course, we’re the world leader by a mile in sanctions, so don’t let that stop you.
Silent_Mall_3428 on
Actually due to tariffs they are unable to sell their products. Doesn’t matter how much they produce if its stuck in warehouses. I confirm this as my friend works for Chinese mega retailer.
waitingattheairport on
I live in the sunniest state in the country and can’t put rooftop solar on because my utility will charge me significantly more
Even if the solar panels were free, it would still cost me more to use it going forward because of my utility
ham_sandwedge on
Not pictured is the lack of tarrifs on south east asian countries which China is using to dump supply on US thru
LifeIsARollerCoaster on
Without tariffs US solar panel manufacturing would be done but instead they are still around. So tariffs are working as intended.
GenDegen_69 on
Yeah idk if this graph means what OP thinks it does
BardaArmy on
we should be importing cheap solar and getting off fossils, us companies can make money off the service and installation, but the energy conglomerates won’t let us. How much better would the bottom line be in a lot of sectors if power cost were negligible.
dudermagee on
I can’t take anyone this chronically on reddit seriously.
Itouchgrass4u on
It literally shows prices of polysilicon more than. Tripling when democrats got in but ok. Lolz
Odd_Contribution_681 on
Wtf is going on with that bottom graph lol
Beast_of_Guanyin on
When I got solar panels I tried 6 different non-Chinese run companies. Took two days, got two quotes in the end. I then tried Chinese companies and got two quotes in half an hour for half the price. Quality panels, no issue with installation, have worked well since.
That said I do belive in tariffs if we intend to make solar panels ourselves. Which we should. With the * that we do need to spend a chunk of that money on production facilities here, putting a tariff on and hoping it generates local production isn’t the solution. The alternative is just not producing it, which is what China wants.
DarthPineapple5 on
Complete nonsense. The tariffs didn’t work because it was too little, too late. Even idiot governments learn from their mistakes though, and guess what? Chinese EV’s just got tariffed to hell and back before they ever showed up in numbers on American shores. China using third countries to backdoor their supply dumps is also being targeted.
This same graph won’t exist in 10 years for American EV’s or cars, I guarantee it. You want to know why? Tariffs. If we let the CCP spend a fortune to control and monopolize these markets we will all live to regret it
Outrageous-Book9799 on
Yeah Donny you really shit yourself on this one
Ok-Lifeguard69420 on
Solar panels are a commodity good at this point. No wonder the cheapest manufacturing won… specialization favors the west while industry favors the east
Ragepower529 on
Idk why that matters, it’s a “niche” market that had lots of growing to do to begin with. Please find a more established mature product.
Like how much advances in manufacturing were made to make the tech go down
BlueRoyAndDVD on
Buy domestic solar, like complete solar CSLR
meteoraln on
Clean energy is expensive. And let’s keep it that way by adding more tariffs.
spellbadgrammargood on
i love when people post charts as if economics and the market can be easily explained by them
AegonTheConqeuror on
I have no comment on the graph, just grateful to read these regarded comments. Great minds battling it out
satin_worshipper on
China is giving the world cheap renewable power, but at what cost
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Are EV’s Next?
[https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2024-opinion-how-us-lost-solar-power-race-to-china/](https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2024-opinion-how-us-lost-solar-power-race-to-china/)
With the amount of Chips and breast implants you would think the US would have silicon locked down
What do you mean “don’t work?” Tariffs are protectionist. It’s just math. What your data seems to show is that Chinese innovation is outpacing the government’s protectionist efforts.
Tariffs do work though, and they are a much better (imo) source of revenue than taxing income and investments.
*Someone email this to the CheetoCheater.*
i need you to explain this graph to my regarded self
[deleted]
Good. The consumer won
The y axis should be log, so that we can actually see the learning rate.
Neither do sanctions since Russia’s about the same place economy and exchange rates as before the sanctions.
Of course, we’re the world leader by a mile in sanctions, so don’t let that stop you.
Actually due to tariffs they are unable to sell their products. Doesn’t matter how much they produce if its stuck in warehouses. I confirm this as my friend works for Chinese mega retailer.
I live in the sunniest state in the country and can’t put rooftop solar on because my utility will charge me significantly more
Even if the solar panels were free, it would still cost me more to use it going forward because of my utility
Not pictured is the lack of tarrifs on south east asian countries which China is using to dump supply on US thru
Without tariffs US solar panel manufacturing would be done but instead they are still around. So tariffs are working as intended.
Yeah idk if this graph means what OP thinks it does
we should be importing cheap solar and getting off fossils, us companies can make money off the service and installation, but the energy conglomerates won’t let us. How much better would the bottom line be in a lot of sectors if power cost were negligible.
I can’t take anyone this chronically on reddit seriously.
It literally shows prices of polysilicon more than. Tripling when democrats got in but ok. Lolz
Wtf is going on with that bottom graph lol
When I got solar panels I tried 6 different non-Chinese run companies. Took two days, got two quotes in the end. I then tried Chinese companies and got two quotes in half an hour for half the price. Quality panels, no issue with installation, have worked well since.
That said I do belive in tariffs if we intend to make solar panels ourselves. Which we should. With the * that we do need to spend a chunk of that money on production facilities here, putting a tariff on and hoping it generates local production isn’t the solution. The alternative is just not producing it, which is what China wants.
Complete nonsense. The tariffs didn’t work because it was too little, too late. Even idiot governments learn from their mistakes though, and guess what? Chinese EV’s just got tariffed to hell and back before they ever showed up in numbers on American shores. China using third countries to backdoor their supply dumps is also being targeted.
This same graph won’t exist in 10 years for American EV’s or cars, I guarantee it. You want to know why? Tariffs. If we let the CCP spend a fortune to control and monopolize these markets we will all live to regret it
Yeah Donny you really shit yourself on this one
Solar panels are a commodity good at this point. No wonder the cheapest manufacturing won… specialization favors the west while industry favors the east
Idk why that matters, it’s a “niche” market that had lots of growing to do to begin with. Please find a more established mature product.
Like how much advances in manufacturing were made to make the tech go down
Buy domestic solar, like complete solar CSLR
Clean energy is expensive. And let’s keep it that way by adding more tariffs.
i love when people post charts as if economics and the market can be easily explained by them
I have no comment on the graph, just grateful to read these regarded comments. Great minds battling it out
China is giving the world cheap renewable power, but at what cost
>Enusing
Thank you captain Obvious.
The lines, what do they mean?