Why EV Tariffs Won’t Stop Chinese Cars
China has become the world’s largest auto exporter. $9,200 equivalent US dollars. Chinese automakers are going to come here eventually, and they’re going to do it regardless of if there’s a tariff or not. 40 years ago or so, the Chinese auto industry barely existed. Today, the country makes enough cars to supply half the world. I call it the Great Godzilla. The world has never seen an auto industry of this size scale. This is a giant machine just getting ramped up, and it has its eyes on the United States, which, thanks to China’s rise, is now the second largest car market on the planet. There are no Chinese car brands for sale in the US at the moment, although a few other ones like Volvo, Polestar and Lotus are Chinese owned, but insiders say it’s only a matter of time. The country has been ramping up exports to offload overcapacity. Surveys indicate a large share of shoppers, especially younger ones, would be happy to buy a Chinese car despite concerns over privacy, etc.. But not everyone shares the enthusiasm. President Biden slapped Chinese automakers with stiff tariffs, effectively doubling the price of a Chinese export EV, which can otherwise be at least as cheap as $11,500 within the auto industry. Opinions vary, but many say tariffs might not be that effective in the long run and may do more harm than good. So what are the alternatives? We asked some industry insiders to find out for the Detroit three, for Toyota, for Hyundai to compete well against these Chinese brands. It’s going to take something more than simply raising the tariff from 25% to 100%. I’m not exaggerating when I say what China that the challenge that China is presenting the world, including the United States, is unprecedented. You know, in the case of the Japanese and Koreans, when they came into the United States, we were able to persuade, maybe coerce a little bit. Hey, if you want to sell here, you have to build your transplant here. But they could own it. And they were our allies, and ultimately they were more dependent on us than we were on them. They were more in China’s case. We don’t have that kind of leverage with them. China has the capacity to make half the world’s cars four times as many as the US typically makes. Annual demand within the country is about 25 million units. That leaves 15 million cars for export, nearly as many as the US can sell in a good year. China sent 5 million cars to over 100 countries in 2023, making it one of the largest exporters in the world. You see Chinese cars now in virtually every market except for the United States and Canada. And because there’s so much capacity at home and the market at home is has a price war, the Chinese automakers themselves are super motivated to get out and push their products into Europe. The United States, a mix of favorable policies and a booming economy got them to where they are today. China welcomed foreign automakers into the country beginning in the 1980s, and especially after some policy changes in the following decade. Rules were simple foreign firms could sell cars in the country as long as they partnered with a local Chinese automaker. Chinese firms also made some cross-border investments. Chinese automaker Geely bought Volvo cars from Ford, for example. And finally, many companies are government owned and even private firms receive generous subsidies. Ev maker BYD received $3.7 billion between 2018 and 2022. For example, in state capitalism, the objective is we’re going to build a world powerhouse auto industry to get there. We need great companies. But oh, by the way, at the local, provincial and federal level, we’ll also offer all kinds of help. So the Western automakers look at that and say, how in the world do we compete? But Chinese companies have also built strong products. When they came to the Detroit Auto Show 15 years ago, their cars were not competitive. You could see the quality issues with those vehicles as you sat in them, as you played around with them. Now those cars are much higher quality. They are very competitive. Once they hit the ground and they pay attention to all the configuration of every seat in the car, not just the driver’s cockpit. Uh, that’s what I think. Obsoletes the traditionally designed in style vehicle. Bill Russo, a former Chrysler executive, says the Chinese have been extremely successful in developing new business models based around software and services. Many recent entrants have backgrounds in technology, electronics and mobile devices markets. When the iPhone came, the Nokia products went away quickly. That’s what’s happening in China now in the car business, American consumers are also receptive to Chinese cars. Nearly half of respondents in a recent survey said they are familiar with Chinese vehicle brands, and 76% under the age of 40 said they would consider buying a vehicle from a Chinese brand. Consideration then declined significantly by older age group. Grappling with this new reality. Tariffs have become a popular political tool, especially with former President Trump beginning in 2018. Auto executives at the time, famously, Tesla CEO Elon Musk decried what they considered an imbalance between US and Chinese trade rules. Lately, it is the Biden administration who is focused on tariffs first and foremost. Ev’s tariffs on them will increase from 25% to 100% in 2024, the administration says. China’s extensive subsidies and non-market practices have led to substantial risks of overcapacity. Chinese EV exports grew 70% from 2022 to 2023. They’re also raising tariffs on an array of materials used in car making lithium ion batteries, graphite, magnets, steel, aluminum and semiconductors. China controls more than 80% of certain segments of the EV battery supply chain, the administration said. That leaves US supply chains vulnerable and risks national security and clean energy goals. Some politicians are pushing for even harder restrictions. The industry’s response is mixed. Labor leaders are in support, for obvious reasons. So is the Alliance for Automotive Innovation, the auto industry’s major trade association. Tesla CEO Elon Musk criticized the tariffs, but even he had said earlier in 2024 that without trade barriers, most Western automakers would be demolished by Chinese competition. They can sell EVs cheaper than the cheapest fuel burning cars and, according to some, are way ahead of competition in software and tech. But Rousseau is skeptical of tariffs. The Trump era trade war may have been a missile aimed at Beijing, but it landed squarely on Detroit, he once wrote. Two things happened. First, the trade war drove up the costs of a lot of parts American automakers sourced from China or elsewhere. Gm and Ford both reported that the Trump tariffs in 2018 saddled them, each with an additional one dollars billion in steel and aluminum costs. Secondly, it likely accelerated the globalization of Chinese companies looking to circumvent trade rules by making investments beyond their own borders. They’re building factories in Mexico. They’re building factories all over the world Africa, Middle East, Europe, Eastern Europe, Western Europe, Southeast Asia. There’s never been a bigger, uh, effort by China to decarbonize its supply chain than right now. If elected, Donald Trump pledged to place a 100% duty on any car made in Mexico by a Chinese company. Policy analysts say doing so would violate the terms of the very agreement Trump made with Mexico. It might also cause further friction with the country, which in 2023 became the US’s largest trading partner. In any event, executives like Rousseau argue that these measures are delaying the inevitable. American firms need to face up to the fact that Chinese companies have extremely competitive and attractive products, and American consumers want them. If you can make aspirational products affordable with configurations that surprise and delight the users of that platform, that’s a universal value proposition. And sorry, Americans buy Chinese stuff and have been for decades have been enjoying the benefits of that in terms of affordability forever. If you shut that off, all you’re going to do is make it more expensive. There are alternatives. Take a page from what China did 30 years ago when it was just starting out and it said, hey, you want to come into our market? The United States welcome. But by the way, in order to sell here, you have to manufacture here, you have to build plants here. And when you manufacture here, you have to form a joint venture with an American company that will own half of the business. Oh, okay. And by the way, we’d like you to export from America, too, so that we get extra benefits of you being here. We could do the same. That’s called flipping the script. The problem isn’t that we have to keep them out. The problem is we should let them in to give ourselves the benefits of the DNA that they’ve been able to create. And then. But do it under a guided process, do it with policies. And right now, nobody’s writing those policies, nobody’s writing policies that allow some of the benefits of globalization and scale and product configurations and technologies to flow back to the Western world. And that’s going to really weaken the it’s not going to help the industry. It’s going to weaken the industry. If we if we don’t allow that to happen. And even though there are no Chinese branded cars for sale in the US yet more than 100 Chinese owned automotive companies have a presence in the United States already. They are concentrated in Detroit and Silicon Valley, and there are Chinese auto suppliers scattered across 30 US states. But you’d never know it because we don’t see Chinese cars on American roads, so it doesn’t occur. No. What? That can’t possibly be true. But it is. They’re here. They’re getting ready for the time when it’s right to enter and sell their cars to Americans.
Today, China has the manufacturing capacity to supply half the world’s cars. And it has its eyes on the United States. While there are already Chinese-owned brands available in the states, including Volvo, Polestar and Lotus, no true Chinese brands have arrived in the U.S. as of yet. Insiders say it’s only a matter of time though. President Biden slapped Chinese automakers with stiff tariffs – effectively doubling the price of an imported EV May 2024. However, some insiders say tariffs may not be that effective in the long run, and may even do more harm than good.
Chapters:
0:00 – 01:45 Introduction – Why EV tariffs won’t stop Chinese cars
01:53 Chapter 1- World’s biggest producer –
05:21 Chapter 2 – Tariffs
08:44 Chapter 3 – Alternatives
Producer: Robert Ferris
Editor: Darren Geeter
Animation: Christina Locopo, Jason Reginato
Senior Managing Producer: Tala Hadavi
Additional footage: Getty Images, BYD, Polestar, Volvo, Geely, Tesla, Toyota, Honda
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Why EV Tariffs Won’t Stop Chinese Cars
34 Comments
Right now it is hard to find a Japanese car, German car or American car, high price, high property, taxes and sale Tess love and care for that I need for rich people yes
Oolong Musk: “I am losing my favorite game ♬”
Do you think that China only sells ev car in Europe and US….the world is big….🤣🤣🤣
White people cant understand that other racies are also human. They think if China can't sell to the whites, China has no markets. Truth is only 1/7 of the population are white
It is written: Whoever does not give his life to Christ, when he dies, he goes to hell. If anyone wants to pay to see it, feel free.
There won't be any overcapacity for better stuff.
US government hate US Citizens
Don't stop them, I want to buy one of them. I hate to pay for over priced Japanese cars
Anybody who has spent even just a handful of seconds around these vehicles knows that vehicles from MG and BYD are now equally as good in every metric to VW and other common German brands. This is why people are happy to buy these vehicles when they try them and realise that they are actually quite amazing. They are to the U.S, what Xiaomi are to Apple. Competition, which clearly has a better product. There is no point in denying it when it clearly is true. It must also be said that Tesla have been building equally fantastic vehicles over the past 3-4 years in terms of build quality and reliability. Just because one thing comes from a place you don't like, it doesn't make it less good.
They just want to keep our prices higher so we pay more. This is one example. Another is letting companies just throw away salvageable stuff and use it as a tax write-off instead of selling it for cheaper because it's missing a component. That's not only keeping cost high but wasting our tax money. There was a Ford place nearby that just scrapped an entire huge parking lot of SUV's doing this crap last year. They were still usable but no, lets not sell for cheaper, lets just add more waste to the world throwing it away to make more profit.
“government subsidize industry”? That’s the thing only legal if the government is “USA”, otherwise all illegal.
China could refuse to sell to North America. Turn us into Cuba.
Chinas whole infrastructure is insane. America too busy making bombs while our bridges crumble. The only improvement I have seen is another layer of tar on the roads. Lol
Sorry , no China cars sell on US right now!
China is practicing modern Socialism while USA still mingling around with Dinosour Age Capitalism
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One sided narrative. What about all of the problems and safety issues Chinese people are having with Chinese car brands? I think the saying goes: you get what you paid for.
It's easy to offer low prices when your workforce isn't allowed to organize into unions or vote and the cost of capital is near zero. Check out Michael Pettis if you want the real reason.
Mexico already has Chinese autos, making Mexico the first country in the world to promote their byd truck.. also the first to have Chinese investment from byd in the Americas
If we want to stop climate change, we need more competition in the EV space to move away from gas as soon as possible.
Isn't climate change one of the core issues Biden believes in?
The hypocrisy is overwhelming.
Chinese system works
If an American wants to buy a Chinese EV, they have to pay 100% TAX, for the US Government incompetence
China has over 3 million industrial robots in its manufacturing sector … the US has ~425,000.
China has 7x as many industrial robots building product than the USA!
China has been graduating more than 11x as many STEM grads as the US since 2016!
The Inflation Reduction Act will allow Tesla to receive $34 billion in subsidies. GM will get $21billion in battery subsidies out of a combined sum of $119 billion for the battery industry. BYD received $3.7 billion from their government. Let's not ignore the fact that the US subsidizes their auto industries way more, more than 10x that of China but pretend that only China is doing it.
We dont want china EV,s
It is just business why are you hating on Chinese products meanwhile US brands are selling everywhere
Us auto makers are the reason China even knows how to build cars. It's their fault they showed China how to build them being cheap didn't want to pay US workers. They should have saw this coming
Planning Works
Guess the 10% frpm the Auto and Oil lobbyist hit the campaign account and little Hunter's charitable foundation. 🤣🤣🤣
Giving 7500$ tax credits to Tesla is government subsidy at the expense of tax payers
I have never driven a Chinese car. But from what I experienced driving a Ford Bronco as a rental while my wife's Korean car was being fixed, was a disaster. I used to like the crisp handling of Ford Fusion as rentals like a decade ago. But the sedans are gone and that base Bronco felt slow and boring. Or my model 3 that I drive at its slowest chill settings, may have recalibrated my expectations. Even the base Korean cars have more rigid chassis, and drive so much better. Its no good to have excellent 100k cars, you need good 20-30k cars for the masses. Detroit is way behind in affordable segment, either by choice or plain incompetency. And they will have to fix that or count their days with the inevitable competition lining up.
If EVs were declared dangerous to health and property, I'll bet the country could refuse delivery.
You can't buy small cheap car in America anymore
US auto market is a MONOPOLY